What ends an engagement is being able to walk away from it. Forced to choose I'd take 9mm all day for so many reasons.. 9mm or 45? Americas oldest Second Amendment News outlet. Actually, we ALL have a soul, but only TRUE Christians (born again believers) have a spirit. Provided by Google Tag Manager to experiment advertisement efficiency of websites using their services. Everything is a compromise. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjW3I71693mAhVGZM0KHXzxCngQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw10DVrk4SswQsgAgCh-Cf28 I had the only 45. Some times much faster. 9mm &357 same caliber but 357 alot more propellant. Firing 12 rounds my 9 mm wouldn't penetrate it or do catastrophic damage to it. Does anybody have one of these that can state how their carrying experience has been? The ones that I carry travel at 1000 fps. As mentioned by another person's comment above, any more than a couple of rounds down range may escalate the possibility of your prosecution, (Unless you are against multiple attackers.). 45 acp, with a father like the one we had, Had I not already had an investment in 9mm equipment and ammo I would have considered the 45. Even better if you have the means and the skills to build one yourself, get to know what you're shooting inside and out! If youre shooting a hollow point at a soft target, the extra ~100 feet per second from a carbine will give you a slightly different wound channel than firing the same ammo from a shorter-barreled pistol. The extension mag wrapped allows for a 'golf grip' & more leverage to handle recoil. You are right; the soul is eternal, and only God can condemn it to hell, and ultimately to "the Lake of Fire." When I'm in the woods I use .45 cast. I am not a Glock guy by any means, but ammo is ammo and I always find tested results like these to be useful. Funny thing though, the administrators weren't the ones facing the enemy and while the 38LC was easy to shoot (basically a 9mm Luger ballistic wise), it did not stop determined attackers so the Army re-issued the 45 Long Colt. The pattern element in the name contains the unique identity number of the account or website it relates to. What ever cal. Varmint applies to large game too.. Ha, Ha, Ha. Even at 7-8" barrel, the additional length of a suppressor would still allow the pistol or SBR to remain more compact than a 16" barrel. I feel like this is the answer and I plan on purchasing one soon for myself and my wife. Engaging, defensive and cover fire; they all require lots of bullets. LEOs have completely different considerations. Do you want to be shooting a bullet likely to go through a wall or a car door killing or maiming an innocent bystander? More misinformation about the 9mm vs 45. Youll do well to pick heavier bullet weights that convey a subsonic muzzle velocity. I carry the XDx in 45 but I also carry 9mm in a PPQ. I found this interesting as I was expecting certain loads to perform better in certain barrel lengths. Thank you, however for the work on showcasing the loadsRead more . They want a 210 or better the 1st time through and then you get back to work. lbs.). I want more rounds with less recoil. Josh Wayner has been writing in the gun industry for five years. If you conceal carry then there is a 90% chance of bystanders being in your firing line. This length ratio maximizes the projectile velocity. Modern forensicss indicates a .38 Special and up is just as any other side arm aka marginal. I offer two pieces of evidence to support my notion that .45 ACP penetrates slightly more on average. Especially without comparing the loads terminal performance at different ranges (especially in the case of the 70grain hollow body Lehigh). Nothing against the 9mm, I own several, for the range, not for carry. My sub compact is 9mm. They're both about the same energy in most common defensive rounds between the two calibers. 45 ACP is better than nothing for sure , but 9mm is a superior cartridge. Subsonic for a bullet is slow . Installed by Google Analytics, _gid cookie stores information on how visitors use a website, while also creating an analytics report of the website's performance. But I would definitely take a .45 Auto pistol over 9 x 19 handgun in most situations. Good show! Not a lick of science in this article. Where do I stand on the 9mm vs .45ACP debate? Instagram And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. Then rinse and repeat as needed. Physics got us to the moon, Im pretty sure it can calculate which bullet is more lethal. Bull!! one of them went completely through the bear. I'm positive it was a hydro shock because of the distinctive shape of the bullet. Now this is just me you pointed out several factors for both weapons and I agree it's to ones mind set on which weapon feels right in your hand. I am looking at building a 9mm in AR platform and would be interesting to see the difference between a 5, 7.5, 8.5, and 10.5 barrel length to see if there in much increase in the velocity. Tanks, trucks, rifles, the UK's ability to actually fight a war was incredibly damaged and near unsurvivable had the Germans pressed an attack. As the most popular handgun cartridge, 9mm ammo is available with every conceivable type of projectile including frangible, shot, rubber, and blank. If FMJ is my only choice, then I won't pick 9mm as my first choice. This testing is very valuable to many 9 mm shooters. That said, I'm splitting hairs, because I can handle both well enough, and I would feel well armed with either. Thank You! Besides, small guns can be easily supplemented with an extra mag or two or a back-up gun. From target to self-defense, 9mm is an extremely diverse caliber. Only your focused aiming and bullets. Knock down power is about energy transfer. Despite all the impressive "science" deployed to reinforce the assertion that higher speed projectiles are more capable of inflicting the deep penetration and impact-effect required to reliably anchor heavy game, one finds that these assertions simply do not withstand common sense, repeatable penetration testing. Real world outcomes of all special forces who only use 9mm? you can not have any mags that hold more then 10 rounds, so I had to buy 10 round mags for the model 59 and at the same time I found 10 round ags for the m1991A. But the .45 Auto does not have the power you are claiming it has. The important things here are Bullet Type, and bullet placement. You cant beat the trigger on a .45 1911. Google DoubleClick IDE cookies are used to store information about how the user uses the website to present them with relevant ads and according to the user profile. Maybe target practice? Option one; You choose to have ammunition in your pistol that is know to over penetrate because why would you need a bullet that doesn't fully penetrate something. The lesser destructive force is balanced out by higher accuracy over multiple shots and more ammunition available in states without restrictions. Practice both bullseye and tactical shooting skills. practice once a month, and can do 6" group at 8-10 meters with pistol as far as pretty, get the desert camo and I had money left over for ammo. In my case it was no weapons displayed (but you must always assume present) against a $h!t brick linebacker. When comparing the Glock compacts in both calibers, the 9MM was less bulky, lighter, and easier to conceal. So follow up shots are almost more important that the 1st shot all of these variables added up, the 9mm almost will always win the advantage One advantage that was mentioned I disagree with. Having said that, in my humble opinion, I prefer the big slow moving .45. You fire at the armed person/s and take down the threat. When it comes to the issue of 9mm vs .45, obviously bullet placement and bullet construction is key for stopping an assailant. Using this reasoning, you really dont lose much between a pocket gun like the Glock 43 and a full-size Glock 34. Yonder Thats what I carry now.Always will.When that loud bitch goes off it gets everyones attention..especially the turd youre trying to ghost. Why not buy a double stack 1911, like my ParaOrdnance p14-45? The whole point of a defensive firearm is to STOP an attacker as quickly as possible. You said: "With a .45 you can hit him anywhere, even in the arm or shoulder, and you're going to knock him down. Today it sends your readers to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence." (Here are more tips on how to shoot more accurately.). No one in their right mind willingly chooses to use FMJs in a pistol or rifle for self-defense. If worried about an encounter with bears, I'd take nothing less than 357 Mag. Sure you can fire a .45 as quick as a 9mm but it's gonna hurt your accuracy, doesn't matter how strong you are. Just because the FBI says, doesn't make it a fact. The __qca cookie is associated with Quantcast. I have them all. Clumsy, deaf and with tunnel vision. Firing the 9mm at the range was fun, then I fired the .45had to peel the smile off of my face. What seemed like moments after making my calls to get .45, I was again on the line with several of the same fine companies to acquire some 9mm. So I purchased big bore gun :D and hope for rapid blood pressure drop which will cause unconsciousness, or that this bullet will go trought and break spine. and I have gotten both, plus the 40 Cal Big Brother 10mm. Federal American Eagle 9mm BONUS: Shoot better. Well written article. As far as capacity goes, I live in a 10 round state. They are extremely different. It holds lots of bullets. I don't think one is better than the other either. You need fewer rounds to do the job so you dont get excessive force charge , so that rules out the capacity as being a decision factor in the debate . If YOU Do!!". New powders and more advanced bullet designs used only work for the 9mm not 45 acp or 40 S&W? This begs the question: is bigger necessarily better? The Ruger LC380 is her favorite. Capacity is not an issue because, I live in the DPRC (Democratic Peoples Republic of California). They are long-distance rifle competitors and long-distance hunters. First; opinions are like, well you know, the hole on your back side. I pray that America will get to that stage. I walk, run, stand, drop, moving toward and sideways to targets which are set standing height and kneeling height. Not worth a flip as a carry gun unless one is more Shaq sized than me but for home defense, it works very well. They went back to the .9mm due to the fact that the new meat in the FBI were not man or woman enuff to handle the .40. I went with the 45 Smith&Weston MP2 Shield that is good foe me. Most ATTACKERS even if not mortally wounded will address thier WOUND TRY to save THIER LIFE & not get SHOT Again!! All the targets, conclusion is I guess if your shooting steel targets you better use ar500 steel if you don't want to destroy them with you .45, but for self defense Soul people go to hell. Even the FBI report states that 9mm makes it easier for their agents to qualify. My military friends please chime in. The way Guns damage the human body is by adding energy to lead. Kinetic energy. Hi John, I enjoyed your comments. Offensive vs defensive role - as an offensive weapon the military choose the .45, as does most (all male) special operations units who have a choice. I went to work on the Police Dept. Bullet tech has come a long way for the .45 also.. ya ever seen the hole a .230 grain HST makes?..960 dia. 3. hands, it does have a MUCH snappier felt recoil. That being said, I would go to hell and back with my HK USP 45. Theyve got lots of data on many calibers. But I think 9 millimeter Luger is a better carbine round over .45 Auto. With handguns, its all about holes: how many, how big, how deep, and where hit. I settled the issue by having 32, 380, 9mm and 45. The Federal 147gr Hydra-Shok JHP had a total velocity average difference of only 54fps across barrel lengths and a total loss of 5.5%. I'm still on the fence about it though. So, I disagree with the Taylor KO index . I am good with it, plenty of muscle memory and everything flows easily. Its like firing a 58cal. As a Patrol Officer I have seen both in action in the real world, not the bull crap settings of a test range. And yes,if you arent skilled with a hand gun,dont carry until you are. The 25 loads tested characterize a spectrum of what is available today at retail and have representative samples from the least expensive range ammo to the most advanced self-defense loads made for. I'm Geezer who's first shot was with a 45 while in the Navy in the 70's. They are often shooting at moving targets who may be taking cover and at the same time the officers are trying to take cover and not get shot themselves (this isn't range shooting). Let your fellow shooters know share this article using the Facebook, Twitter and other social media icons below. gear. But what can you expect when it comes to 9mm ballistics velocity, energy, etc.? I wrap my grips with stretch adhesive tape to give me a custom grip. Thanks, Eric! When I was young military carried 45acp most leo where I live carried 357. Let me start out by saying that the biggest mistake that most people make is taking a black-and-white stance on the .45 ACP and 9mm. The real reason why the FBI switched from 40 to 9mm is the same reason they switched for 10mm to 40, most cant handle the recoil and they dont pass the required score in the firing tests, same for civilians they cant handle the recoil, they groups are horrible then blame the caliber instead stop eating bacon and improve they fitness condition. Physics works whether you're a criminal or a descent citizen. Contact Us. I really admire the professional comments that was written. I read most of the posts that preceded mine. Thats likely more distance than youll need for self-defense. haha. wrapped in plastic and carried in chest pocket for the sauve qui peut event that could occur on a 5 Man patrol: weapon broken or having to swim River to E&E. For me the question isn't which caliber is "better" but which caliber a firearm owner prefers based on any number of factors. I've taken black bear with both the 44 mag. The U.S. Army eventually switched over to theSig Sauer P320but theyre still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. Im not aware of any Humans that can dodge a round in under 1/2 second. Velocity (FPS) Energy (ft/lb) 1135. Hind that is capacity, availability, recoil, etc. I dont have much experience with 45s but my nieces husband (recently retired LEO) said his crew tested both 45 &9s extensively snd came to the conclusion that the 45 was quicker and more accurate on follow up shots due to the push back in the hand rather than the muzzle jump of the 9mm. I (thankfully) also have an overactive amygdala response that kicks in to take over. If you THINK you can shoot accurately while adrenalized, then you're whistling past the graveyard. It can significantly increase damage in rifle bullet wounds. with your statement 9mm has less recoil. 45 is that it's so much easier to see the holes on a B27 target at 25 yards than 9mm holes. BE SAFE!! States where the max is ten bullets per magazine then 45 cal. Wish you had more ammo brands like in the 45 acp test you did. But can you deal with what you've done afterwards mentally? I am really leaning toward the dog in a .45 it also comes in 9mm though for who likes that. In the majority of the states, anything more than 2 rounds down range puts in in the pin for excessive force! Due to the large amount of information gathered in this test, standard deviation and high/low velocities are not shown. Karl, youre embarrassing yourself with this vendetta. Its truly sad that worthless police management who sit on their asses all day behind their desk in their A/C can implement near-sighted ideas like this, but it is what it is. Your statement is factually in error. That federal gun control laws are hard to come by because of all of the above. I'm sure he had to have some counseling, but he did his job and survived. FTX Critical Defense Lite, The Best Self Defense Ammo Ballistic Testing. I love it. So, pick what you like, as long as the handgun iis suited to the job at hand. If interested perhaps we can exchange some info or thoughts, was really looking forward to reading this when I had time. death) 92+%, 9mm is just over 50%. Penetration and energy, and the physical properties that result in them (velocity, weight, diameter, etc), are the most important features. Im in the middle of chosing a duty weapon, and settled on the PPQ. If he hits you, its going to hurt. I do have a CZ 75 and a couple of 9mm Glocks that I carry occasionally. In the real world a single hit with a .45 will stop him. As for the tool, I like the Springfield XD series. doubled in sizeand since .45 ACP is bigger to start with, it became massive in the end. Were now getting into some fairly heavy physics, but as a shooter, and especially a hunter, you need to remember that a bullet will slow downrange. This really isn't the place for an in depth spiritual discussion, but your comment was interesting. like when they took away the man stopping .308 caliber M-14 and gave them a stinking .223 varmint round to fight a war with in Vietnam." Just ask yourself one question. These are FBI statistics. Pew Pew needs to talk to professionals rather than giving amateur opinions. With that being said it all lies on personal preference. And yes, I know memes are meant to be funny - its just that, unfortunately, the rest of the world can occasionally get a little weary of US flag waving (not saying its your fault; besides, were expecting Americas return as the worlds good guy after January. He removed the bottleneck from the predecessors casing to meet the German militarys demand for a larger diameter projectile. Do your research. More penetration does not mean more deadly. I'm not an expert on injuries caused by ammo though. The 9x19mm allows you to make more holes, from a standard pistol, than a .45 caliber pistol [albeit only 2-4 more rounds in the 9mm]. Expecially a HEAD, NECK or double tap CHEST shot!! This debate of 9 versus 45 just comes down to personal choice with today's ammo. A big, fat, 230 grain hollow point at that speed will drop the MF faster than a 9mm any day of the week.. My state has a 10 round limit. He didn't even have a BRUISE where the 45cal bullet hit him!! For a carry I use a compact 45. I can only say this: When your life - and the lives you protect - depend on 18 ready available bullets, youre going to wish for more. Very interesting test. Doesnt get any simpler than that. I have pistols chambered in .22lr, 9mm Luger, .40 S7W, 357 SIG, and .45 ACP. Be familiar! Can't argue with those numbers. Imo our quality of life, freedom and liberty has been slowly eroded since the end of ww2. Knock down power is quantifiable by the Taylor Knock Down Index. The market is glorious in its options (if not in availability)no matter your intended purpose, training level, physical stature, etc there is choice that will fit you. Originally designed by Austrian firearm designer Georg Luger in 1901, [6] it is widely considered the most popular handgun and submachine gun cartridge due to its low cost and extensive availability. The 9mm was developed by Georg Luger in 1901, who based it upon his earlier 7.6521mm Parabellum. But I know you won't understand. It offers a larger magazine capacity given a similarly sized firearm, And its compact nature makes it easier to carry, especially when concealed carry, Not to mention, the 9mm brings less recoil, making it an easier gun to handle especially for beginners, While the answer to this is up to debate, one thing is certain: higher muzzle velocity does equal, Unfortunately, this benefit may be completely. As you might imagine, muzzle velocity varies quite widely depending on the type of gun you are shooting. Perhaps favoring the .45? -- For 9mm, some who prefer high capacity and easier recoil, I understand. .45 vs 9mm? Well, lets take a look at these two rounds and pit them against one another. Im a big fan of the Colt 1911 45 with 7 and 8 round mags and have carry one cc for a few years. Listen--great article but here are thedsalient poinyts. As a civilian I doubt the I will need an ammo dump under my gun to defend my life. Official websites use .gov (I carry .40 Smith & Wesson or a .45 Auto pistol with concealed carry.) The pistol has a dropleg tactical holster that holds 4 extra 9RD mags. Just ask the coroners - they can't tell the difference between someone shot by the two (they came definitely tell when a rifle is involved though). As Katherine pointed out as well, there are so many variables which can come into play like freezing, forgetting to take the safety off, tunnel vision, forgetting everything you've ever been taught, gun jam, on and on. If you were looking for a typical rifle setup, there appears to be no major reason to go above the federal 16" barrel requirement, unless local laws differ, or whatever the case may be. Back in the day, there was a revolver chambered in .600 Nitro Express. just saying. These three pistols offered me a large variance of length along with the consistency of rifling type and 1:9.84 twist rate. Velocity. Well, when it comes to home defense, the .45 ACP does holdone distinct advantage over the 9mmshallower penetration. I consider 45acp and 9mm in the same class. I have them all. Very accurate pistol setup. My choice, since my first 1911A back in 1953, to my Glocks G21SF, G30, and G36 of today. But to a victim or an attacker, what happens when an intruder gets hit by birdshot may be a lot different to 00. As to why heavier projectiles penetrate more than light ones, given similar shapes, is due to conservation of energy. With having very minimal firearm experience, could you recommend a good choice? Is muzzle velocity something you need to be concerned about? You had to buy your own oversized grips. ), or a S&W in 30 Super Carry. That would be 1,2,3,4,5 to stop the threat and the rest to miss with. I do like shooting the .45acp But a 1911 commander as much as I love it, is harder to fit in my pocket. The Federal 115-grain 9mm ammo has a muzzle velocity of 1,180 fps, while the larger bullet is propelled at 1,000 fps. One of the biggest I've seen taken was 465lb. I don't believe that MEN can Kill the SOUL.It's GOD BREATHED Genesis 2:7. and since the "SOUL" is "GOD-BREATHED", then The SOUL is "IMMORTAL".! Modern 9mm hollowpoints nearly always expand, especially if you're using +p rounds at close range it's pretty much guaranteed. BUT, I have read that bear attacks are usually a big surprise to both the hiker and the bear, who have both been startled by each other's company. 12 ga shotgun ask anyone outfitter in Alaska what they carry you can buy a Shockwave and have more power then any pistol. The main drawback is the 8 round magazine (WC). That is simply bologne. But, like you said, all of this arguing is moot if you cant hit your target! Measurements are the opposite of vague . I own both, a Colt Combat Commander .45 and a Glock compact 9mm. And I don't mean keeping your one pistol in a sock drawer. The fastest muzzle velocity of a commercially produced round comes from .220 Swift and it was clocked in at 4,665 fps. 1) by making bigger holes and 2) by making more holes. But lets not forget the same developments in HP ammo that allowed 9mm to catch up to .45 ACP FMJ also allowed .45 ACP HP to beef up. In this situation, youll be glad that you have the faster follow-up speed and a larger magazine capacity of 9mm. Aside from that, aren't they using the same bullet technology on .45 as they are on 9mm? I went along with more powerful is more effectiv and broke hammer struts on two N frames aka back to S&W factory. Done talking with someone who refuses to educate themselves. One important fact is the combat readiness, safety and ease of use of the 1911. LEOs average 20-30% hits in a gunfight. Anyone that has fired a gun indoors knows the value of a subsonic round and a suppressor. Type your email address and well send However, police officers can enhance the effectiveness of the 9mm by careful bullet selection. I've owned & fired both repeatable over the years. While the answer to this is up to debate, one thing is certain: higher muzzle velocity does equal slower bullet drop. But if cost IS an issue, then a well placed shot with a high grain 9mm FMJ is better than a poorly placed .45what I mean is that you have to get your time in at the range. Will a 45 penetrate body armor within 10 feet. The 45 has more momentum than the 9mm. Before 1911, soldiers hit with a 9mm were still advancing even if mortally wounded. My advice is practice, practice, practice!! I keep ARX 118 grain ammo in my Glock 30 (10+1) which is 45ACP. Fortunately plenty exists. This is why the center mass target shooting with a double tap is taught with handgun self defense. That would be like using some of the retail 10mm ammo that is similar to regular 40s. Actually, the US & the West generally helped the Russians defeat Germany. Don't be scared but owning a gun is a responsibility. It fits an extended grip 14RD+1 so there's 51 RDs. Veteran SWAT freeze. Would you rather be holding a 45 or a 9mm? I bought it for my wife close to 40 years ago, then she decided not to shoot anymore, sad and not so safe. 2. 9mm Luger rounds have a deeper penetration than other handgun calibers. I couldn't decide, so I bought (built actually)BOTH! Only thing I would add is my home defense pistol fights me to my riflesince pistol rounds are weak compared to a good old 5.56. I'm not making this up. The 9mm on a per round damage basis is NOT as effective as a 45. the CarryGun's G2 bullet weighs 135 grains so that it will reach optimal velocity out . I freeze. That's the amount of energy even cautious self-defense experts consider adequate for self-defense. I agree with the writer, owning both and applying to individual situations and preferences is right on the mark. There are many good rounds for the G19 for social work. guns & Mass times velocity is momentum. One of the BAD things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is the DEMOCRATIC LIBERALS!! I am purest. 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