Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. Addition. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. Ditto who died first and last. Do you think Shanann was the type of person to leave her suitcase downstairs and just go to bed? On page six of the report in the General Internal Examination findings, it states:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE. I lived with one. Chris Watts strangled and smothered his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, to death, before strangling their daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, with a blanket in 2018. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. @Nickhi, in answer to your question about the suitcase she might have been so exhausted and wanting to get to bed right away that she left it downstairs, figuring she would deal with it in the morning. Her neck muscles had been bruised and the manner of death was deemed a homicide. He said kidnap somebody, murder somebody. Or do they just know? She was a nag and loved making Chris look like a fool. The autopsy also made no references to elevated levels of any Thrive-related chemicals. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? I sense some disciplinary issues, and Ive seen her being absolutely overwhelmed as to how to really effectively handle even the most basic of situations. Triggers related to cleanliness and symptoms related to washing make up only a small part of the range I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. The carpet was cleaned, and laundry done in the Peterson case. There is a text I think to chris. He said it took minutes, the police reports say. Now i fully beleive NK was in on plan, her idea to put bodies in tanks to help disolve them. Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. Cheryl: If Chris did that, he definitely has to die. Ive been reading this whole thread and as I always respect other ppls views and opinions as much as I can, there is one contributor to this conversation that thinks they know everything sigh. I agree. I have to point out that Shanann DID have marks on her face there was a line of small circular bruises running from beneath her chin and up the left side of her face towards her temple. Or perhaps he left when the sun was coming up because thats when he usually left for work. its pretty clear they went to bed like normal >>>How is it pretty clear? Bellas covers were pulled off and she was just lying in bed. If CW is the type of father that would never hurt his girls, then his behavior after pulling Shannan off CeCe would be to call 911, try CPR ( he had classes at work) When non murderous parents are confronted with the loss or potential loss of their children they get desperate. Hello everyone, This is horrific, shocking, my mind is greatly troubled by this aspect. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! I also believe he would have thought out a better place to bury them. The HORRIFIC, worse than most of us originally thought truth; Bella and Cece were ALIVE on the drive, Bella even commented on the smell of her mothers body on the floor under their feet in the back seat because her bowels had evacuated when she died; its horrific to know that he dumped those little girls, unconscious but still alive out of fear that they would wake up again and the disgusting coward and monster that he is- he said he was FURIOUS that they somehow woke up after he thought hed killed them in thier beds. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. For more information on having conversations at this site: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/21/true-crime-rocket-science-how-to-have-conversations-on-this-site-and-how-not-to/. Sounds like a good theory except that Bella did fight for her life as the coroner explained by the hole in her frenulum, the biting of her tongue & insides of her cheeks. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on CrimeOnline, investigators appear incredulous that he was able to fit the bodies into the tanks, but Watts claimed he was able to do so without difficulty. Do you think CW could have strangled her from behind? She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. Not a chance she would have run the risk of waking up the children by going into their rooms she knew theyd be fine as shed often said Chris was a good Dad. Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. Bella was face up in the oil tank. So what are you saying? Even if he raged and killed Shannon because she killed her girls, I would much rather be guilty for killing Shannon because she killed my babies then be a monster guilty of killing my daughters so I would have called for help so the cops could do their job and get the evidence to back up my story. It would be good to hear your assessment of his assessment. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. Chris Watts isnt my hero. This was the 6th MLM that ShanAnn had been involved in she was apparently a MLM junkie. When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. They manipulate, connive and plot. Any attacking motion he made that Shanann saw, even for a second, would have prompted her to scream. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? I believe it was to make her feel more at ease, able to sleep instead of up all night crying. Thoughts? I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. Hed let her snuggle him that morning. Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. There is cowardice involved but theres an easier way to attack and subdue someone than to wait for them to fall asleep. But, wait a minute, he is that selfish and only thinks of himself, and he is too much of a coward. I do believe that she may have been the one who smothered the children because she was so controlling, according to friends and family, that she didnt want another woman around her kids. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. The coroner even said the way she was strangled is indicative of a person not putting up a fight. Bella has oil in her stomach but Celeste doesnt. @huey Please read todays post where it reads She also wanted to make her marriage work. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. He said in his admissions that she deficated during the murder in thier bed, where he wrapped her in a sheet and moved her to the floor immediately- where he was interrupted by the girls waking up (after his first attempt to kill them by suffocating them in thier sleep)- the girls were killed in his truck CeCe was wearing a diaper, so even if she had deficated or urinated it would be unclear after days in the crude oil.. And Bella was likely not dead but simply unconscious again when he dumped her body- therefore, even if she did relax enough to evacuate her bowels and bladder- it wasnt until she was in the crude oil tank. Neither of them passed any body fluids. I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/rohde-court-told-of-faeces-in-spier-hotel-room-15629834. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. Thats why the strangulation was gentle, not violent, as the hyoid was not broke, and there were no defensive wounds to her or him. False nails like ShanAnn was so fond of wearing dont scratch skin as effectively as natural nails do they arent as sharp. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. But thats me. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. They probably already had an emotional conversation before she left for Phoenix and he had made up his mind to do what he did. Maybe body positioning and gravity? I guess my vanity rubbed off on her. And she clearly WANTED the best for them, and she was still learning. It was the early hours of the morning, she was pregnant, fed up with airport holdups and storms, and tired. In addition, it became clear that she used bed as a punishment. Ethanol makes sense, especially because it could be disguised in the chemicals themselves. Hes asked whether Shannan was strangling CeCe or smothering her, at first he says strangling because this is the only thing that makes his story believable but afterwards he knows theyll be no marks so he says hes not sure. The FBI agents had already profiled that the wife had been strangled because theyd been through the house with luminol & found no blood splatter, and because children were involved also believed smothering was involved. Police saw a bed sheet. I dont think I know everything, but I do know more about this case than most. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. Chris said: I freaked out and I did the same thing to f****** her. He could have planned to go to work early that morning so as to avoid talking to Shanann. Very hard to think a dad can do that but my ex just turned, didnt want any of his family anymore and still has very little contact for the past 8 years. I learned all about a Sleeper/Chokeholdhated that part of SO academy, but is a great way to gain upper-hand, control over a perp and render them unconscious with one thump of my forearm on their neck/carotid artery.,, you black out immediately! Nick Van Der Leek is the owner of this site and you are invited to comment, which is a privilege and we should be grateful. Everything you say can & has been disputed. Meaning there should be no oil in her stomach just like cece. CW said he was not a monster because in his opinion he killed them humanely. I think he was doing this so she would feel comfortable when she got home, and would be able to sleep. God I wish she had taken the girls and just got the heck out of there. Which she combed over the menu trying to come up with that amount for one person. In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. On Aug. 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann, 34, in their Colorado home. These may have been caused by an object, such as a necklace worn by the victim, or fabric, such as heavy-duty leather (such as a motorcycle jacket being worn by the murderer), and being compressed between the arm of the assailant and the neck/face of the victim. What she considered the kids making a mess Ha! I take comfort in that, Bella and Cee Cee likely had no idea it was their dad doing that to them, but he wouldve wanted Shanann to know he was ending her life. (blood chokes, carotid restraints or sleeper holds) She probably snuggled up next to him & was able to fall asleep. Required fields are marked *. Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. It could be all the thrive he was taking. She hurt my kids., Chris said, Theyre in a freakin oil tank. The attack was pure power and violence. Would he have cleaned up Shannans stuff if he didnt kill them? Perhaps they had one via phone or text. 5 PM the previous evening, as many of us believe, then by the time he was ready to pass them through the thief hatches, theyd be pliable again. Along comes NK, (a pig in her own right) who rocked ol Christophers world! I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. Theyd quietly suffocate no violent confrontation, very peaceful. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. But considering she seemed to be an amazing mother, I highly doubt she was drinking. No one deserves what happened to those kids and their mother-you have issues. Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. Shanann had extensive injuries to her neck. Weld County DA In the text, Shanann also tells Chris that he hasn't shown any signs of missing her in the weeks they have been apart. Isnt it coincidental that Chris saw her on top of CeCe & when he got into the room it was at the exact moment that CeCe died!!!! That alone speaks volumes how they were approaching their relationship. And to think CW called a co-worker @ 5pm to tell him that he would be going directly to the oil battery site and told the co-worker he didnt need to. This would explain how she didnt fight! Did you live with them? Had he planned this out, he would have killed them earlier, left in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of the bodiesnot as the sun was coming up as seen in the tape. There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. Ive been sleeping in my bra during my pregnancy- because my chest hurts all the time and taking it off even to shower is extremely uncomfortable. Christopher was sentenced to life in pri A person with OCD also wouldnt have that much stuff on the bathroom vanity. These are just my opinions (based on zero knowledge). Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. I think he killed the girls at the worksite. Not sure if it is true, but I heard that the GF (Nicole) and his parents are both doing book deals! FACT: True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek. COFFIN BIRTH OF BABY NICO!-Please read description TY Scrub The Surface 8.27K subscribers Subscribe 13K Share 1.5M views 4 years ago THIS VIDEO IS. Thanks for making the reports public. August 4, 2018, 12:45 a.m.: Shanann sends her husband a long text message accusing him of failing to stand up for her after his parents exposed their daughter Celeste to nuts, which she was allergic to. No other way to put it. I would just like to express an opinion of mine to you and all your readers. Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? It seems as if the account Chris gave once he was finally in jail and writing letters was the truth. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. I didnt know what else to do. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. Thanks! Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. She wanted to be, and really thought she was, a great mom. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? Gastrointestinal Tract: This was filmed during the police officers body cam footage. I love that guy. 2. Shanann is very OCD about organization and planned the entire wedding. The children were in 20 foot tanks with hatches on top. I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. When youre pregnant you do, breasts get tender and the extra support helps. I had assumed all the way through that he had used a pillow. In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. Was there no evidence of feces on the girls beds either so maybe they were not killed in bed? Utter Rubbish! Possible if the hips were gyrated slightly, titled vertically, the horizontal width could be reduced by an inch. With her like this would the conspiracy theory about her killing not happening until Tues or Wed not be possible? I did mention that Shanann was still in love with him and wanted a child with, and wanted to work on their marriage right up until the moment of her death. I find it odd that Shanann was wearing a bra when found. She didnt try to bite him? CW was already working out his plan to annihilate his family around the time he was getting ready to make his daughters some dinner. Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. Also zero evidence that she was in bed. I am not saying he touched the purse. After that, then everything started going bad and stressing him out. Chris was ocd also. She was always busy. like others, cannot wrap my brain around his behavior. Also, the fact that he did not want her to come to Colorado with his dad so that maybe she would not be questioned? Otherwise I cant imagine why she didnt go for his eyes etc. For nothing. The lack of a broken hyoid bone (called thyroid bone in the autopsy?) So wheres the problem here? I dont think she ever went into the master bedroom that night. . Between the two preferences, a lot of interaction was visible. She texted him the morning she left for Arizona thanking him for letting her hold him that morning. I am 57, I weigh 132 lbs.. .,,, I had my husband straddle my chest and pin my arms down and Im telling you right now, I could not move. Chris said he forgot the phone. They say: Chris told his father, She hurt them. (this is horrific and the worst thing in the whole case, in my opinion). He stated in a letter to the reporter woman that he remembers her face streaking with mascara and blood filling her eyes. Donald, the house has bedrooms upstairs and a central family room with a couch and TV in between the master and the girls bedrooms. yes, that is great, there is no mention at all that there was any of the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge that was in Bellas stomach, thankyou for pointing that out Nick. Poor Bella was smothered with extreme force to her face that it left bruising. Regarding oil in the stomach, just a thought, but wasnt Bella face up and CeCe face down when removed from the tanks? I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. Esophagus: .. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. I worry he may have had the girls dead and sprawled out waiting for her to come home and watched her reaction from the baby monitor. She strangled them.. The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. Straight up facts. Good point! Its more likely the complete opposite. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. He was an operator for Anadarko. Remember Nickols son found her cell phone in-between the cushions of the upstairs couch. Are you a parent? I do know a lot of women who do this also. This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. could also suggest a Stranglehold. Lastly, he lies constantly to the police, why is this self serving story all of the sudden believable? He had only a few friends. I know, Im a survivor of strangulation. My opinion, when Nicole Atkinson said Shanann was OCD, I think she was using the term loosely, as a description, not a diagnosed disorder. GPS from Watts work truck led police to the oil well. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. Shanann Watts. He was asleep. i did not read many commentsso maybe others have notice thisCeces autopsys did not reveal her oesophasagus( maybe wrong spelling )surgery?this can be a reason why CW tried to keep all of them health documentation avoid been public recorded?becausethere may have been some exageration about it ?on the other sideinsurance policies would have not give them money so maybe this is why the medical bills so heavy?there is something that i dont understand? All those purchases, that expensive leased SUV that LeVel would only give her a car allowance for if she kept her sales up, the expensive preschool, the too-big house with all the fancy furnishings, several closets full of expensive shoes-shoes-shoes (yet she wore the same pair of flipflops every day), multiple purses, more clothes than one person could possibly be using, on and on and on. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. She had everything she needed on the ground floor kitchen for food and drink, office to make haircare purchases, bathroom and toilet and a big sofa with a huge blanket left on it as shown in the initial welfare check police body-cam footage. While some muscles spontaneously contract after death and though all muscles eventually tighten into rigor mortis others are loosening their grip entirely. That is what is difficult; without a trial we have no way of knowing all the forensic evidence and what tests the state started to perform or did perform. Police photoA sheet was found near where Shanann was buried. So the agent says what about strangling? Also she seemed to have every intention to work things out while he was having an affair and according to him getting divorced. Chris Watts attacked her from behind, his left hand around her throat and his right hand covering her mouth and nose. They dissipate in inconvenient circumstances. While I agree MLM is 100% a pyramid scheme and bad news and that the long term use of their products probably do more harm than good (e.g. This whole thing is terrible. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. Have they watched something? Did you have to cover something up for Shannan? Read my above post. Police came but found no sign of Celeste Watts or Bella Marie Watts. Police photos Why was the oil/sludge found in Bellas stomach? Or carbon monoxide poisoning [something a former mechanic and oil worker would know about]. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? Carol, I think you are absolutely spot on, and on all points too. Nick, have any of her docs said she had clinical OCD? https://youtu.be/U8fe6Ckeh5A?t=210. And where do you think he did it? And the decision to move Chris out of state as well? Do you think he ninja-attacked her the moment she entered the house? GREELEY, Colo. Authorities have released the autopsy reports for Shanann, Bella and Celeste Watts, who were murdered by Christopher Watts in August. Bella and Celeste were thrown away, the prosecutor said adding that investigators found scratch marks on one of the girls bodies and tufts of hair on the opening to one of the oil tanks, the television station reported. Watts claimed that he snapped and strangled his wife when he found her murdering the girls, but he later pleaded guilty to all three murders. Even the few days shannan was gone. The basement had everything in plastic bins all labeled & neatly stacked. Just a thought. Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. Bella fought back, according to the prosecutor, Denver Channel reported. Completely empty stomach contents doesnt necessarily indicate they died when Shanann died. Pee and Poo Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. CeCe did not have any marks & I attribute that to her age, not understanding what was happening & Im sure she lost consciousness quickly as she had breathing problems. A person who is killed and immediately wrapped up and taken out of the home within an hour isnt going to be in rigor in that time- the first rigor shows up in about 1-2 hours, and then takes about 12 hrs to fully develop Then dissipates again about 12 hours later. Celeste and Bellas bodies were each inside one of the tanks. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. It appeared to be an addiction by this point it was all she wanted to do. I actually tried this with my husband. Also ethanol in the oil would not seep into the spleen in a body in 3 days to produce a high level like that, besides most ethanol is extracted through many processes prior to any petroleum company dumping the waste oil. She also had Lupus, and was 15-16 weeks pregnant, which could have been the reason why she wasnt feeling well. I am shocked shes not been charged too. I think she was then taken, with her children, out of the rear of the property for concealment. He said the blood alcohol is normal after you die. He said he didnt hurt Shannan just as much, Ive read all the transcripts. The autopsy is commenced at 1030 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Shanann Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. Chris Watts destroyed three fully formed, perfect adults. He had a plan to kill them all, all along. I also believe he had that conversation in the morning because I dont know many women that sleep in their bras. He asked one time if he should go look for his familyhe did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned, the police report said. 1. Shed been drinking?? I know it is morbid but I do hope that CW gets his just desserts in jail and those other inmates show him some of the terror that his beautiful girls would have experienced in the last moments of their life. Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. They were smothered. It kills me because its pretty clear they went to bed like normal and were awoken to find him killing them. Never mind! It DOES NOT make her a bad mother when I comment on what I saw and what I think. It takes 2-4 min for a person to die from smothering or strangulation. He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. And his mistress tells him she wants to be the one to have his first boy prior to the murders and surprise after finding out she is having a boy , she is now dead. They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). I guess since theyre children and small its possible. Page 535 She often plied them with food and treats and I just felt like she needed to set some boundaries. He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. On page one of the report in the list of Diagnoses, it states:- Also in his re-enactment they also didnt add up. Typo. Chris said that she often went straight to bed without showering after a flight, saying that shed shower and wash bedding to rid it of the airport in the morning. Good to have a former forensic detective around. How do THESE people know? I dont think enough people are looking at the theory that Chris had flipped a switch with her in the days leading to her death. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. Just asking a question. So yeah sigh! She was wearing a black or gray t-shirt and blue underwear. After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. 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