Yeah, that is super dangerous. Churches sometimes need advocates outside their system. On this episode of The Roys Report, Julie explores these important questions with Mitch Little, whos not just an attorney for victims. Youre absolutely right. One of those is that you had your senior pastor resign kind of suddenly. And when I came into the representation, that was a new term to me, Id never heard anything like it. And Willow lost the battle of PR on social media. Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. And I think that Bill Hybels created an advocacy structure around him by having that many lawyers on the board. I dont know. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both Hes also a strong believer and advocate for abuse victims. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. I think the larger the platform, the more rigorous the accountability needs to be. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. (etc. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. I appreciate you so much and look forward to visiting with you again soon. But you have seen the the worst of it. Pete Briscoes father, Stuart Briscoe, who I loved dearly, hes not in good health, I wish he was, I wish he could hear this and Id wish him well. This was an excellent interview and elders need to read this interview. The outside investigation report said something along the lines of, Bill Hybels hundreds or thousands of emails with this woman were, not available. Well, as it turns out my understanding from talking to witnesses, those emails were actually destroyed. Fifteen years later, I joined staff at Bent Tree. You know, I think, Julie, the other thing that was really whacked out about Willows elder board, and I didnt find this out until very late in the representation was they operated by design out of unanimity. and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. Like so many of you, I love Pete. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. They wont produce any vanilla beans. We needed to go to the hills and fight as guerillas, you know, what is guerrilla warfare? WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. Please contact us or click here to learn more about how to enable JavaScript on your browser. And so when you know from the pulpit, that might be a strength. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. Theyre involved in their own issue right now. Im still waiting for the apology for the public apology for giving. And thats not what this is about. So I was really struggling with my faith. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. I mean, it was a great time. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. Frankly I find church to be excruciatingly lonely. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. It manifested at the Human Resources level. I heard an elder once describe his role as a glorified sanitation engineer. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. Likewise. And wasnt there something with Bill Clinton coming to the church and speaking? Its really pride. 1 talking about this. However, there should be a bubble level of character in Christ that we return to. Boy, and if more churches did that, how much pain and heartache among the sheep would have been spared? In this Milgram experiment, they found that people are willing to do things under collar of authority and that they would not probably otherwise do. I havent seen a lot of true owning, true repenting, true confessing. Again, thanks so much for joining me today. Hes like, I wasnt trying to protect the man, who by chance was his brother in law. Why is it that nobody outside a very small group of women who had no power, really no position, why didnt others come to their rescue? That way, youll never miss an episode. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. And Im like, Ive never seen a spiritual leader ever, ever have that sort of self disclosure in front of the church before he preaches. They were almost sacred and benevolent and unable to do wrong. Amen. I want to share that God used Petes sermon on not being isolated (Ecclesiastes) in our sons life. May God lead your next steps and may you find ways to use your gifts from a place of health. I understand that the desire to have elders dealing with what Ill call Echelon or tier level, theological topics: What does the church think about, you know, for example, racial reconciliation? Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. He was running and we were praying that he would surrender fully to God. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. It was like trying to fit a battleship through a set of French doors. And theres an element to which a church like Willow Creek was a global church, right? Hes a complex character. None at all. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. And basically, my understanding is his cavalier attitude was, Well, Ill just pick up and Ill open a new church down the street [if] you dont you dont like me the way I am.. How do we deal with claims of sexual abuse? It took a variety of forms. And you you actually refer to it as multi-level marketing. People can do the job of preaching and leading a church for, you know, 40 plus weeks in the pulpit at a church of this size. Pete has offered to I think youre absolutely right about that. And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. I think the load needs to be shared. Nobody has said they had intercourse with Bill. In our church, we have a no tolerance policy. Its M-I-L-G-R-A-M the Milgram experiment, but basically American researchers were trying to figure out after World War II, why so many in German society were willing to go along with the Nazis or go along with their leadership, do incalculably horrible things to people. Powerful ministry at some points. Theres a lot of church boards that operate that way. You know, when you have somebody like Bryan Loritts, who when hes talking about why when he was at a former church, he didnt disclose to the church that they had a sexual predator among them for six months. And these men are good actors. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Fellowship, Church family, Community. Right. This is a calling. And its not something you can control like traditional mainstream media. Jill Well, and it troubles me too, that so many of our Christian organizations seem to be more beholden to lawyers advice and counsel than they do the Word of God. After a failed attempt to travel alone in his truck out west, he came to church with us that very day. And if you dont have a character to lead, no manual is going to help you. And I think it wasnt a problem, Mitch, because everybody always agreed with whatever the senior pastor wanted. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth's media outreach. And its like, now someone inside the tribe has said, Something is wrong here and it must be dealt with. And it took someone of Scot McKnights gravitas to be able to shift the discussion at Willow. Can I talk about Scot McKnight for a second? Vonda was at one time the director of Willow Creeks vocal ministry, and she was one of the first women to come forward and speak publicly about Bill Hybels alleged sexual misconduct. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." With that purpose in mind, they launched theTelling the Truth ministry. How do spot a safe pastorand can. He was like one of these, I think until Scot decided to speak up, it was, Willow had credulity to say, These are people outside our tribe who are criticizing us. And they were no friends of ours during the Harvest investigation either. There was another case that also occurred where he committed oral sex with his assistant. And he committed sex acts with her. Hi. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both Do we have a theology of goodness at our church? Was there any evidence found that he actually had an affair? This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. Can you imagine how many books that sold her? Well, I tried other churches and its more of the same. And presented them with the information, he essentially tossed it to the side and said, So what?, No consequences. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. I think it took courage and boldness on his part to be able to do that. They have a responsibility to the larger church to speak. That is a very fair question. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. I know the owners Dan and Kurt Marquart personally, and I can say without reservation that they truly run their business with honesty, integrity and transparency. So you caught them before that anything actually happened? There are therapy notes to support her story. And so I do think its a healthy thing when youre afraid of doing wrong, because it will be brought up and you will be held accountable. Im so glad that theyre godly men like you serving. Glad that Jesus is still our anchor! Jill And I remember you saying. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. So glad to see you feature Mitch Little. etc. Who hasnt given a friend a friendly kiss once in awhile? And then everyone could say, Oh, how sad that that one person did that one thing. And you made the statement that if you have the character to lead, you dont need a manual. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. 1 talking about this. Its designed to be fought asymmetrically. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Petes leadership at Bent Tree casts a long shadow with a legacy that will endure. Think about the people whove done it historically, you know, the Chuck Swindolls that I mean, we can we can run off a list of names, we can also run off a list of failures. Destroyed by a staff person is my understanding. Well, again, Joining me today is Mitch Little a partner with Scheef & Stone in Frisco, Texas. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. The woman had come forwarded, but then later recanted her story. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. You know, I believe in spiritual strongholds and things like that. If you go back and you look at Bill Hybels books in retrospect, Im amazed at some of the things that are contained in his books that people became okay with. Jesus said, I call you My friend. But theres a sense that the Church of Jesus Christ Universal is represented all throughout not just the United States but the world. And this is one of the I think exciting things. Just go to BuyACar123.com. Senior pastors dont need advocates. Although theres been some. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? Yeah, thats right. How do you get people to come to church when there are more authentic people in the bars? WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. Like they didnt read a book, figuring out how to do it, but there are warning signs that people need to be aware of. Thats not to say there arent authentic people there. I hope someday I can overcome this cynicism because I need Church as it should be. 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